The trial was taking so much of my time. A Pennsylvania woman who went missing more than 30 years ago in a case that stumped authorities who later declared her legally dead has been found living in a nursing home in Puerto Rico. Because of these two prior offences, Patricia was sentenced to life in prison without possibility of parole under Californias Three Strikes Law. What evidence is there she actually left the state? She had money put aside. And the obvious answer is that the makers too think the evidence is against her. Nope. In recent years, she began to share key details about her past life in Pittsburgh to nursing home staff that led Prosecutors offered Patricia a plea deal that would take the death penalty off the table, but she declined. Crystal Carter is a Bay Area-based reporting fellow with the Center for Media, Crime and Justice in the John Jay College of Criminal Justice at the City University of New York (CUNY). It is not necessary to the case against her that she owned the killing gun (and it would be foolish to have used it). The article also notes that most inmates earn around 19 cent an hour at their jobs and must pay $5 each time they need medical attention or medicine. RR, Watch the Forensic Files episode on YouTube. in journalism from the University of Southern California. DNA tests proved the blonde hairs were hers. (Ross Township Police Department). During the trial, the prosecutor said that the insurance reward would have been $180,000, which was totally exaggerated, said Arletta Wright, Patricias sister, who has been championing Patricias innocence from the beginning of Patricias time in prison. Armed homeowners Mark and Patricia McCloskey stood in front of their house in June 2020, confronting protesters who were marching to St. Louis Mayor Lyda Krewson's I have to wake up every morning with the freedom that God gave me knowing that my sister is incarcerated for life and that my lies put her there, Larry wrote in a letter to the LAPD after he had been freed. In a surprise move, Said testified on Monday. Lead Prosecutor Lauren Black called Said a true narcissist who believed he was smarter than everybody else. I am sorry it ever happened at all.". Microconidia DNA, as long as the strand is one inch long they can pull the DNA from that. So you see, MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. It could be coincidence, but I really doubt it. Patricia complied fully with the original investigation of the crime and wasnt a suspect because none of the blood or fingerprints found at the crime scene matched hers. Those that think that Patricia is innocent are simply groping at straws. Yassein Said, 59, is guilty of conspiring to hide his older brother, Yaser Said, as authorities sought him in connection with the New Years Day slayings. On December 12, 1994, Joann answered a phone call from a woman shed never met, Patricia Rorrer, her husbands onetime girlfriend. Its not logical to say we know the truth unless we seen it for ourselves. The prosecution alleged that Patricia called the Katrinaks house from a pay phone in Pennsylvania. If Patricia had injuries it wouldve only been to her hands and she wasnt questioned right away which is also the reason she took Joanne elsewhere to kill her so her body wouldnt be found for a while and she would have time to return home. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. But thats just some of the ammo on Team Patricias battleship. Combination locks. They were able to match 5 hairs all the same micro DNA which happened to match the DNA pulled from blood samples Pat gave. Meticulous primping. Stop it.. The evidence was all there. They portray heavily slanted and biased shows. For one thing, her mother never asked Sandra Ireland to hide the gun, and she retrieved it on the way home the next day she worked as a bus driver and couldnt take it with her to school. Said's defense attorney said he will be filing a notice to appeal. They told him that if he testified against his sister, Patricia, he would be able to get out of prison sooner. That poor child and that poor woman. Highly charged case. I would think if she would have an passed they definitely wouldve started looking somewhere else but there was just too much evidence against her anyway so.. and with forensics the way they are today. WebTexas-born Patricia ("Tissie) Said, formerly of the Owens family, is the mother who lured her two teenage daughters, Sarah and Amina, to their deaths at the hands of their own father Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000, while Mark admitted to misdemeanor fourth-degree Conflicting versions. This information was never revealed to Rorrers defence. They retested the hair for DNA evidence with updated technology definitely Patricias hair case closed. You ought to acquaint yourself thoroughly with the case and not allow yourself to get any further elevated on your high horse. Or the ME and the entomologist that explained how impossible it would be for that baby and mother to be out there for four months, deceased at that, and still be as intact as they were, and the fact that the baby was double the size of a three month old child. The only record of a call from Patricia to the Katrinak household was on 12/7/94. Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. Re Routier, the claim that she inflicted a potentially fatal injury on herself by no means indicates another perp: she could have inflicted it in ignorance, as a suicide attempt, or in a semi-psychotic state. Charles Robert, the 3-month-old son she had with Gary Gabard, died of sudden infant death syndrome; Patricia found him blue in his crib. All the sources said the same thing either exposure or suffocation, but no certainty about which one. This time, not surprisingly, the FBI did achieve a match. You are absolutely right. Narcissistic and violent tendencies are very common. On Aug. 31, 2011, at 11 a.m., Wrights family, the Action Committee for Women in Prison, and the FACTS community and supporters gathered in front of Gov. I want to keep the tons of old jewelry but Im perplexed. I agree. Patricia and Mark McCloskey, the St. Louis homeowners who pointed guns at protesters, pleaded not guilty Wednesday to weapons and evidence tampering charges. Susan Wright is out of prison after killing her husband in TX. She got 12 months of probation for shoplifting at a Walmart in Lexington, North Carolina. 2023 NYP Holdings, Inc. 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You people are fighting a losing cause! The longer it took to find the bodies the easier it would be for her alibis to be believed as it wouldve been harder for people to remember if she was at a dance class etc that she regularly attended on that specific date. Joanns first husband, New Jersey construction worker Michael Jack, who had reportedly abused her during their marriage, also had a solid alibi. A Pittsburgh-area woman missing for over 30 years and declared legally dead several years ago has been found alive in Puerto Rico, authorities in Pennsylvania said on Thursday. The only thing that has changed since this case is the ability of people to access and proclaim crackpot ideas, conspiracies, and all the rest. Any true crime fan should know the crazy history of these magic boxes. You are correct the bodies were not there all that time, and it seems odd that they baby taken at 3 month, but when found he was 6 months according to Wrong Man. Lawrence Slaughter is currently serving a life sentence in Calipatria State Prison for the murder of Jerome Scott as well. Its nine minutes into the video. Andrew described his existence with Joanne and Alex as a little Camelot., Ex-spouse off list. I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. Theres a similar air of confusion connected to the Scott Peterson debacle. Contact Elizabeth Murray at 651-4835 or emurray@freepressmedia.com. Watch Wrong Man season 2, and then come back and make comment. As for an epilogue on ex-flame Andrew Katrinak, he has moved to Colorado and kept a low profile since the trial ended. Thats my life.. From my point of view this is an extremely similar case, with less class and style, and without the luxurious details that Interpols case had, such as the involvement of an extremely expensive Alfa Romeo car, and a revolver bought at a lush auction in Paris, which had belonged to a duke before the incident. Well of course it is, so you overstated your opinion as though you know it to be fact, thus the jury and others were wrong; ironic because youre quick to complain that others are much to sure of *their* opinion shes guilty. What the prosecution failed to disclose to Rorrers defence team was that the cops, in their zeal to prove their gun theory, visited several addresses of which Rorrer was resident, dug up the gardens in which she was known to do target practice recovered several shell casings and bullets (more than 70), had them ballistically tested, but NOT ONE was found to be a match to the bullet recovered from the victim. Its definitely getting rougher every day, Andrew told the Morning Call. She has always denied this allegation and says that both she and Lawrence Slaughter are innocent. And she will have to answer eventually. Addressing Patricia Prue, Judge Robert Bent said the sentence of life without parole was "fitting" since she was a full participant in the crime. Even after 12 years of frustration and dead-ends, the pursuit for their killer never ceased, Spivey said in a statement. Meanwhile, interest in Patricias plight continues on social media. If in the woods in a rural area, no animal, rodent or insect touched those bodies? After one bullet didnt kill Joann, the gun locked up, so Patricia had to beat her to death, according to the prosecution. ), The Wrong Man investigators Ira Todd and Joe Kennedy have some theories of their own. True, Andrew would have no way to acquire and plant Patricias blond hair there because it wasnt that color when she knew him. ST. JOHNSBURY A three-year nightmare for the loved ones of Melissa Jenkins is one step closer to ending. According to court documents, Yassein and Islam Said had been communicating with Yaser Said since Jan. 1, 2008, to help him evade capture. 2023 www.burlingtonfreepress.com. It was a very big shock to see to know that she was still alive. Which explains why she made Joann kill the baby, or suffer from the environmental elements. She killed a mother and child and now has all of you eating out of the palm of her hand about how mistreated she has been. 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There is no justice for your loved ones when the wrong person is paying for the crime. because theres money to be made from the commercials added into their show. As for the murder weapon, police didnt find a .22 caliber pistol on Patricias property, but an ex-boyfriend claimed that she owned one and it would always jam after one shot. Phone records confirmed Patricia placed the earlier call from North Carolina, not Pennsylvania. She hadn't lived long enough.". Emailus. The woman who was showing the home alleged that Patricia was involved in the theft. Alfey went on to say that he noticed that the woman hosting the model home was following them very closely the whole time that they were there. His defenders claimed that the confession was coerced, the video was grainy/unclear or doctored and the witness was confused and/or unreliable. I happen to be one of those deluded people youre so freely attempting to insult. DNA testing revealed the blood came from either Joann or her son. 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Your position Ive read a lot, Im right; you disagree with me, Ill say youre a moron. After researching this case more thoroughly, I stand corrected about the time it took the jury to return a verdict. Its never been made clear. Or did they? Theres speculation and theres lies period. I comment on these forums because they are the only places offering the opportunity to, hopefully, bring awareness to those whore unfamiliar with this case and her unfair plight. I think Patricias defenders are implying the hair came from some unknown person. Fact is she wasnt and all of her alibis were proven to be lies. What a contrived case! Browns downtown Los Angeles office demanding that he grant Patricia Wright clemency. And yikes, he discovered someone had cut one of the houses phone lines and pried the hinge on the basement door. Bob Kopta said that his wife had mental health issues and had spoken of going to the warm climate of the island. Relatives at the time told cops that Yaser threatened bodily harm against Sarah for going on a date with a non-Muslim. Also why if beaten with a gun or with whatever, why was there no blood on the clothing? I find it weird that youre going to kill a woman just because she hung up on you and maybe tell you some shitty world because you call like an ex. No other suspect has existed that would have a motive to kill Joann. One of them from his ex-wife, Patricia Owens. Required fields are marked *. I believe this woman murdered Joann and Alex. But let me say in my defence, I have not attacked anyone on this particular site with outright rudeness, to which you allude, albeit some of them deserved a retort of some substance. Yassein Saids sentencing has been set for June 4. Angry that Joann hung up on her, she stalked her for three days, then broke into her basement and cut the phone line, put a gun to Joanns head as she was placing Alex in the car, and forced her to drive to the rural area. Rest in peace Joann and Alex. (McIntyre said that Egan ignored Traupman because he was a nut who said that the man he saw arguing with the woman in a car was Hispanic but wearing a fake mustache and a toupee. He says he "feared for his life" and left the girls in the cab alive as he ran away. A few fries short of a Happy Meal, that one. Had there been a switch? Another witness, Walter Traupman, who never testified, had told state troopers that on the day of Joanns disappearance, he saw a couple who looked like Joann and Andrew arguing about the paternity of a baby. She wanted all men to give her attention but she couldnt have everyones attention, especially ANDREWS!!! After relocating to Pennsylvania, Patricia met the 6-foot-2-inch Andrew in a restaurant. According to William G. Kelley, director of the Law Offices of the Orange County Associate Defender, Patricia did not receive a fair trial. In North Carolina, she reportedly enjoyed some success as a horse trader, riding instructor, and rodeo competitor. Further, an early FBI report said the hairs found in the car had no roots which contain the DNA suggesting an evidence switcheroo. She said that shes no fan of Forensic Files and that the show had many misrepresentations about her case and that shed heard ForensicFilesNow.com mixed up some facts as well. "This is the 13th case solved after the creation of the cold case task force," said El Dorado County District Attorney Vern Pierson. Allen and Patricia Prue were arrested two days after Jenkins' death. Catherine Im in complete agreement with you! j} [gut('bIKL|kY4`a;]MQ p2x $kw. Amina two bullets in the heart.". "There is nothing I or anyone can say to make what you've been put through any easier," Patricia Prue said. Wouldnt that verify Troutmans claim that the husband was arguing with the victim, in a rage? According to court documents, Patricia Owens, the victims mother and Saids former wife, told authorities that her son and Yaser Saids brothers indicated support for the killings and were not cooperative with law enforcement. All my comments have been vetted and approved by this sites organisers so how do you see yourself as the judge of whats acceptable or not? She was wrongfully convicted.. She was so obsessed with Andy that she called him non-stop, multiple times a day, right? I didnt believe it. The Common Sense Guy you should put yourself on top of the list of deluded people. He was happy. Im trying to understand exactly your reasoning asking me staying away from this site because of my insulting remarks! The fact that there is LITERALLY NO EVIDENCE that Patricia was actually obsessed with Andy; they spoke as friends maybe twice a year. At the trial, prosecutor Michael McIntyre alleged that Patricia remained obsessed with Andrew Katrinak long after their breakup despite testimony that shed had many boyfriends and live-in lovers to occupy her bandwidth. They allege that the North Carolina resident stealthily drove 500 miles to Pennsylvania and killed out of a sense of deadly indignation. Were suppose to ignore the actual forensic evidence and forensic opinions because we were told that a cop overheard her claiming she confessed? According to Kohlhepp, the RTPD obtained Patricia Koptas DNA sample, then obtained one from her sister and a nephew. Andy did end up moving to Colorado with her and the last time I checked, they were still together. (even though hes married and has a baby) Who does that?!! But defense lawyer Robert Pfeiffer said that plenty of evidence supported Patricias innocence. Jealousy was the motive. Amina was 18 years old and was shot two times and Sarah was 17 Wow. Its patently clear you are another of those who knows too little about this case. Very soon after, the original hairs (in glass slides) were sent to the FBI again. I really never thought of it again.. Why bother with this site, which isnt for professional criminalists/forensic scientists, if youre going to get so tetchy and rude? Patricia Lynne Rorrer made for a good suspect. Islam Said, Yasseins 32-year-old nephew, pleaded guilty to the same charges last month in connection with the effort to protect Yaser Said, 63, who had been a fugitive since 2008. Keep up your delusions. Those bodies would have been manipulated by something around there. Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. A knife and the clothing worn by the victim potentially had all of the answers that would have led to the real murderer, but that evidence was destroyed by the LAPD. she didnt need to . Media galore. How do you explain the authorities finding .22mm shell casings at her home during the search warrant. The fat cow is guilty as hell and I hope she continues to have the shit kicked out of her in prison every day of her useless life. Andrew mentioned to police that his former live-in girlfriend Patricia Rorrer once managed a horse stable two miles from the bodies location and would have been familiar with the riding trails close to the murder scene. Within about seven months of Larry being placed in a maximum-security prison, the LAPD paid him a visit. Its true that women were more idiots than about men, they had the impression that if they caught a fool to take them as wives, they would settle for life, even today we see that but more diluted, still an exaggerated reason for murder. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. They theorize that Andrew Katrinak framed Patricia and that the hostile phone call between Patricia and Joann actually took place not on Dec. 12 as Andrew said but rather on Dec. 7. Her sister stated shed had a religious obsession since she was a child. Yaser Said is accused of killing his two teenage daughters Amina and Sarah in 2008. WebAmina and Sarah Said were murdered by their father Yaser Abdul Said an Egyptian immigrant on January 1st 2008. The police considered the possibility that Joann ran away, a theory disputed by her family. A Dallas jury unanimously found Yaser Said guilty of killing his two teen daughters on Tuesday. Cops under pressure will lie to close a case. She believed she was chosen as one of Gods 144,000 bond servants on earth, and gave up all her other hobbies, such as dancing, to devote her life to spreading the word of God. Early in the investigation, the hairs found in the car were sent (in glass slides) to several laboratories including the FBIs. However, my curiosity is piqued as to why Andrews mother didnt report the missing daughter in law, Joanne and her own grandson Alex! Let me ask youWhy do most of those who post adverse and hateful comments feel the need to? Other loyal friends and associates attested to Patricias kindness toward horses and devotion to her daughter, whom she took along as she worked in stables. And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. Traupman claimed that when he reported the dispute, trooper Robert V. Egan III got mad and practically kicked him out of his office. Patricia and her defense team denied that allegation and said she owned her home, had no financial

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